As expected, you can't come up with a reason. Because there is none, high end content requires T2 or better modules.

I am sure someone will find flaws with this also, but here goes anyway.

When I do high sec exploration, I fit my Navy Vexor for both and it only has 4 mids. It easily does 4/10 most all unrated complexes and all Data and Relic sites I come across.

How capable this will be as an all in one is yet to be seen. I personally plan to do some serous testing for an all in one fit once they are ready on Sisi.

First of all Bouh, if you think 5 unbonused (for damage, anyway) light drones and no guns can crack the tank on one of those faction spawns whilst dodging fire from the rest of the rats in a 3/10, be my guest and try it. You'll die, by the way.

Second of all:



Within a ship class, yes. Outside of or between ship classes, no. That much is obvious from actually playing the game. Nevermind that T2 cov ops frigates and pirate frigates are not the same ship class.

This ship currently runs C2/C3s better than T3s.

[New Setup 2]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Relic Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

701 DPS, which is more than you get out of any T3 in a viable C3-running fit. You won't lose drones except for hobgoblins to sleepers if you know what you're doing, and you can carry tons and tons of spares. You can just run around Sansha/Blood nullsec with this, running any relic or combat sites you come across (data sites suck) and if you find a wormhole you can just duck in and run the sites in there. C3s with nullsec statics are almost always unoccupied so it's pretty safe too.

I don't think I've seen any clue that there will be one, at least for now.

what is the resistsvlike? if I can replace my loki for running c1-3 with this thing that would be amaziballs.

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But unless you are developer or CCP Representative , you have no right or special knowledge to tell us what we may or may not have, or what it has been designed for,

Ccp please continue and ,make these ships Full Fat Explorers.

This setup would still do 975 DPS, while down from the blaster ogre setup most would still say is way to high for a cloaky ship.

As is almost anyone (sorry Caldari pilots) can cross train into the Stratios with minimal SP investment as Minmatar ships have some armor tanks and a decent number have drone bays, Amarr is an armor race with a weapon of drones and Gallente is an armor race with a weapon system of drones, making all those races (relatively) quick to fly an armor drone pirate ship. Caldari being the only ones who are exclusively shield and operate with minimal drones would have a lot of SP to invest to pilot this ship.

If the ship becomes more laser focused it creates longer cross training times for non-Amarr pilots (and even longer for Caldari).

I'm imagining afk cloaking will become just slightly more scary with these new covops moderate to high dps drone ships, being much quicker to get into than recons. Now maybe some supposed afk'ers will reach out and actually badtouch you.

You are forgetting that for the ship to be overpowered they also need to shoot at a structure, otherwise the tracking formula might have some words against their pretty numbers : Ogre II tracking is only good against larger target ; for 125m sig radius targets, the dps drop to 55% *if she doesn't move*...

You do realize that core probes, which can be used with core probe launchers, are used to find WH's and combat sites as well correct? Additionally, people can easily find targets running anoms with the ship without even needing to use probes or probe down sites that are occupied to find targets as well. Also, if you want the cruiser can still accommodate the combat probe launcher, just compromise with the rest of the fit.

Or are you saying that not having it fit with massive CPU to spare will somehow make you incapable?

I'd seriously begin to question, given all the other capabilities present if combat scanning with relative ease in fitting is really wise to add to the list. A much smaller discount is probably acceptable, but at what point does it really cease to be as prohibitive as you think it is? And at that point are we still facing the issue of adding yet another point of contention regarding it being OP?

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

That's still 700 DPS and a respectable 45k EHP, it fits with Genolution CA-1 and CA-2

Ignoring that fact that ship has double web and scrambler on it?

Moving drone DPS to laser DPS makes the ship less effective for exploration fits and only helps surprise PvP fits.

That is a very large wall of text that actually avoids the fact that a. Cloaking delay has not ever affected cloaky t3 and there fore will not affect this ship very much either. B. pushing the ship toward lasers hurts it as an exploration ship, every high slot beyond a cloak would remove 12.5% of the ships DPS (assuming a 50/50 DPS split)

I hope CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie check this out. This is broken beyond belief.

I run lvl 4's in cap stable marauders half the time. The other half I run a rattlesnake because drones are awesome. I run inefficient ships with inefficient and cheap setups. Arguing efficiency and isk/hour is not something I can knowledgeably do. I'm aware it suits your purpose to pretend it's all anyone cares about, but surely some part of you has the capacity to think beyond that illusion, right?


Hence the point of the dissenters here. It switching ships this is completely outclassed, other ships can scan and run then better and arguable run wider ranges of sites. Yes, there has to be some loss from say, an ishtar+helios combo in finding and doing sites, but there should still be enough teeth in this to actually do the same range and in reasonably close times.

It's actually four guns without a damage bonus.

So what sort of bonuses would be better, then? I mean, not that it matters much or anything since Rise has basically decided "This is how the ship will be" without a shred of player testing to inform his decision. Even Ytterbium stepped back in the Marauder thread and said "after actual player testing, we decided to make some changes", but that's neither here nor there.

So Rise, you still don't see that removing the energy turret capacitor bonus for optimal just hurts the "sustain" idea for an armor tank while simultaneously further marginalizing beam turret usage?